Curse

Shoitaan · May 08, 2007, 03:23 PM // 15:23

I play hard mode for loot mainly (i'm le poor) but also for the challenge - and while I'm at it I try for vanquisher. So far I've been unsuccessful at completing ANY area on hard mode.. for some reason there's always this ONE boss group that I can't kill. I cleared the entire area twice and had 10% morale boost on most of the chars (I was soloing with heroes and hench) before that searing flame boss wiped the floor with me numerous times ;_;
Had that same problem in desolation.. this one mesmer boss and his buddies destroyed me totally...

There's always one group that stops me from getting the region cleared.. one.. *sigh*

Bryant Again · May 08, 2007, 03:26 PM // 15:26

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Originally Posted by Kas

Once people played hardmode and saw that their expectations basically weren't really met, they gave up on it. Hardmode is suffering from its own Hype at the moment. Most of the hype was built up by the community itself though. HM can't live up to that, HM gets deserted.

The reason I wanted it to live up to the hype is because if they just boosted mobs and the like, then it was just going to be easy, kind of like how I was farming LB points for awhile now. And yeah, it's pretty much the same build I've been running for almost every area, I just spice it up a little bit. After I found out about the disappointing difficulty and after vanquishing several areas, I just got bored. Same old stuff and strategy.

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Originally Posted by Kas

* A large portion of the players are wannabe elitist ***** and hate everyone with a passion. These gods of playing of course refuse to play with other players because in comparison to them, even god would suck. So they're out of the game too.

Well, for me, I just couldn't find anyone in the areas I wanted to vanquish. I also don't want to have to spend a whole lot of time looking for a proper and organized PUG.

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Originally Posted by Kas

With nothing of interest for me to do, there is no reason I should login.

You need to log-in so we can organize something to do. Got Doom 2?

themeteor · May 08, 2007, 03:36 PM // 15:36

I hate it, I'm glad some people enjoy it but to me all it is is grind. I'm a player who wants new experiences get to the next new thing as fast as possible not killing off the same things again and again and again...

Master Ketsu · May 08, 2007, 03:38 PM // 15:38

Normal mode sucks, way to easy. Also hard mode is hard enough so that alot of pve scrubs dont want to play it, meaning its possible to get an HM pug and not suck.

kimahri · May 08, 2007, 03:44 PM // 15:44

I play Hard Mode and it has mainly been for these 3 reasons:

It's fun
I'm going for Guardian of Tyria
And I did it to complete the Sunspear titletrack.

Hard Mode is a challenge and is great fun with other people. I have heard many complains about it but almost all who have complained have played alone. Some think vanquishing takes too much time and that is understandable (The titletrack is one of the hardest out there). Yes, the drops are better but that is not the reason I play it.

electrofish · May 08, 2007, 03:49 PM // 15:49

>Are you doing it for the better drops?
Yep

>Are you doing it for the hard missions?
I like the challenge

>Are you doing it for the guardian title?
Yeah this too

>Are you doing it for the Vanquisher title?
Will start Vanquishing after getting Legendary Guardian

>Which campaign are you doing hard mode in?
Did Cantha, 9/20 in Elona and a couple in Tyria

I'm just jumping between Elona and Tyria now, I'll do a certain mission when I thought up a good hench and hero build to beat it.

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Originally Posted by Master Ketsu

Normal mode sucks, way to easy. Also hard mode is hard enough so that alot of pve scrubs dont want to play it, meaning its possible to get an HM pug and not suck.

This is so true, I don't pug often because you just don't find that many people that are wanting to do HM missions. However if you do manage to find a HM pug, it is in my experience soo much better than normal pugs, ppl know what they're doing and I havn't had a rage quitter.

TRUEgamer · May 08, 2007, 04:05 PM // 16:05

I'm working on a lot of stuff for my character... want to be KOABD by the time Eye comes out.

So, in HardMode...

I vanquish
I capture skills
I 'farm' SS/LB points

In Normal mode...
I complete missions (still need Tyrian and Canthan protector)
I scrape (Cartographer)

I do both on my own - no other players, henchies only.

Xeeron · May 08, 2007, 04:14 PM // 16:14

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

If you are playing Hard Mode

Are you doing it for the better drops? Partly, for the gold.
Are you doing it for the hard missions? Yes. Got all protector titles, but like the missions.
Are you doing it for the guardian title? Yes, great way to get Koabd
Are you doing it for the Vanquisher title? No, but vanquishing is a nice and quick way to spend time in PvE if you are alone.
Which campaign are you doing hard mode in? All 3.

Hardest part of HM is finding other groups, but thankfully most missions can be H/H'ed and almost all with 2 players + heroes.

- Xeeron

wetsparks · May 08, 2007, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by Shoitaan

I play hard mode for loot mainly (i'm le poor) but also for the challenge - and while I'm at it I try for vanquisher. So far I've been unsuccessful at completing ANY area on hard mode.. for some reason there's always this ONE boss group that I can't kill. I cleared the entire area twice and had 10% morale boost on most of the chars (I was soloing with heroes and hench) before that searing flame boss wiped the floor with me numerous times ;_;
Had that same problem in desolation.. this one mesmer boss and his buddies destroyed me totally...

There's always one group that stops me from getting the region cleared.. one.. *sigh*

[skill]Broad Head Arrow[/skill]<---That works quite well against casters in HM. Give it to a Ranger hero with all the interrupt skills you have unlocked on your account (R/Me for those interrupts also) and have her target the boss and its cake.

Sol Deathgard · May 08, 2007, 04:36 PM // 16:36

I'm using hard mode at times, mostly when I'm not doing anything with guild. I'm mainly working on Vaquisher & Guardian in Tyria, but I have done a little of both in Elona and Vanquished 1 zone in Cantha. Also once I heard about farming the undead outside Hot Springs I've been doing that alot too, I just make sure to let everyone know I'm not a bot incase Anet is watching

MSecorsky · May 08, 2007, 05:16 PM // 17:16

Been exclusively hard mode since it's inception. My mesmer is 13 areas cleared in Elona towards vanquisher. After a couple initial trial runs, and the epiphany that defensive skills/spells actually help (plus scrolls... scrolls are good for DP elimination) I've actually been able to take a couple hours to relax in the late evening and clear an area. It's fun, tweaking a build here and there to make it easier (or not).

Here's who I run with:

Me (mesmer, currently domination anti-caster build)
Dunkoro (heal mode)
Koss (always gotta have Koss. Koss da man.)
Razah (Pain, Bloodsong, Union, some zapping skills...)
Illusion hench
Healer hench (Khim, iirc...)
Earth Magic hench
Devona

Good times, good times. I cap a new elite every run, plus every (yes, every) run has resulted in me depositing gold into storage.

Hard mode = Best Update Evah!

Thailii Monkey · May 08, 2007, 06:25 PM // 18:25

So are you playing Hard Mode?
Nope.

Because your not bothered?
Yea, seeems a waste of time to me.

Because your cant yet?
I can

Have you not completed any campaigns?
3 Chars with all 3 Protectors .

Is it not what you expected?
It is what I expected, a change to get you to play the same missions again. I played 1 mission with a pug, it was quite easy and quite boring.

applejacks · May 08, 2007, 06:26 PM // 18:26

I am only playing hard mode. With the dumbing down of normal mode, I don't see the point of going back. Of course, I am playing hard mode just me and h/h, so at times it can be ridiculously hard (I am looking at you Rit and Elementalist bosses, and all you Scribes bunched up together) but most of the time it is fine. Granted I am using an unorthodox build, which is why I play alone. Vanquished 16 areas so far but some areas I admit I am dreading.

I am doing it for the Vanquisher title.... Also because the drops are supposed to be better. I don't get as many drops as I used to, but I do get better ones. I am guaranteed to get at least one gold per map, whereas in the past I had maybe had six or seven golds (max one doxen) after having completed a campaign. Worse luck ever? Yes.

Skyy High · May 08, 2007, 06:33 PM // 18:33

I imagine that most players actually doing Hard Mode are just doing it with H/H, which is why it seems like no one is playing it. I haven't stepped foot in NM since HM came out; been vanquishing Elona and doing some assorted missions. The drops and chests make NM just not worth it.

Renegade26 · May 08, 2007, 06:43 PM // 18:43

I do hard mode for the vanquishing title, in elona. Quite fun at times, but the bosses are overpowered to the point of not fun. Fix that and HM would be fine.

Sir Skullcrasher · May 08, 2007, 06:48 PM // 18:48

I only used Hard Mode to challenge myself or to farm those rare items in certain missions!

Lord Natural · May 08, 2007, 06:53 PM // 18:53

I've been playing through the proph campaign on HM, but it's something I've just been going to when bored, rather than something I really want to get done. The increased challenge is nice, but in the end it's still the same old pve. I might be interested enough to play through each campaign on HM once, but I can't imagined being bothered to do it any more than that. So far I've gotten through Tyria with hench/heroes, but I have no idea if later missions or chapters are difficult enough to require players. By the time I get there I'm sure the districts will be empty anyway (since most of them are already).

Racthoh · May 08, 2007, 07:24 PM // 19:24

Hard Mode has made one thing more obvious; this game needs more 6 and 4 man areas. They're far more enjoyable.

Spazzer · May 08, 2007, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Are you doing it for the better drops?

Only in Elona.

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Are you doing it for the hard missions?

Yes.

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Are you doing it for the guardian title?

Yes.

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Are you doing it for the Vanquisher title?

No, but I have vanquished some areas for sport.

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Which campaign are you doing hard mode in?

Nightfall and Prophecies so far.

LouAl · May 08, 2007, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Hard Mode has made one thing more obvious; this game needs more 6 and 4 man areas. They're far more enjoyable.

QFT Also why the 4 peson titan quests are so good!

I actually found the Ascalon missions much more fun than they were originally. They were even hard (I used PuGs for all, and wow -- PuGs suck, but they are sure fun!!), but then I got to Borlis Pass...sad how easy it was. I'll keep going with PuGs, but the 4 person areas are much better so far.

I noticed something else, there are a couple missions where people get stuck in HM that people didn't get stuck in NM. Northern wall has a lot (I think because that is where most people go when they first try a HM mission), then Ruins of Surmia (always lots of people there wanting a HM group. Also, lots of the same people there night after night...I kept getting crappy PuGs so I was one of them for a bit). There was vitually no one in Borlis, Frost Gate, Gate of Kryta, Seaboard, Ft Ranik (has some, but not lots). And that is about as far as I have gotten...

to answer the OP

Yes I am playing HM

I do it because it has better drops and gold (secondary motivation)

I do it for the harder missions (primary motivation)

I don't really care about Guardian title (but it would be nice to have)

I don't really care about Vanquisher title (but it is a great way to have fun AND finish mapping the last 3% of Tyria)

I have only done Tyria so far (a very small amount in Elona)

I don't ever play NM anymore because HM is more fun (and all the other bonuses listed above).

I have noticed that the missions generally have only some people doing HM, but I don't think (at least in Ascalon and Kryta) that the average is 1/30, probably more like 1/10 or more.